Firefox 2.0 and Windows Vista niggles

, posted: 3-Dec-2006 13:23

FirefoxI'm using Windows Vista RTM now on a daily basis despite it to be honest not being quite ready for prime-time. Vista drivers for the different bits and pieces I use are starting to show up, but many are still missing, or just don't work all that well (Nvidia's video driver being one example).

Even so, most software runs just fine but not one application that I really would like to use: Firefox 2.0. Well, it runs and does most things a Firefox installation in XP would, but it seems to have issues with the User Access Controls (UAC) in Vista, as well as the default lowered privileges for applications.

At first, I couldn't get Firefox 2.0 to run at all after installation. It came up with an error message saying: "The program must close to allow a previous installation attempt to complete. Please restart."

The suggestion in MozillaZine Knowledge Base here didn't help, nor did setting the FF executable to run in Windows XP compatibility mode.

Then I noticed that FF ran if I was logged on with a Domain Adminstrator account. I tried setting the FF shortcut to Run As Administrator (right-click on it for the menu). Still no go, so I did the same with the Firefox executable. Now it ran, and oddly enough, continues to run even after I've removed the Administrator privileges elevation. This suggests perhaps that FF needs to elevated access to parts of the system the first time it runs.

What still doesn't work is using Firefox as the default browser in Vista however. I've set it to be that but Firefox doesn't launch when I click on URLs in any application. IE7 launches instead, even in Thunderbird.

Just to make things more complex, if I click on a mailto: link in Firefox, it won't launch Thunderbird (which I've set as the default email program). Instead, it launches Outlook 2007. However, doing the same in IE7 launches Tbird.

Setting Firefox and Thunderbird as the default applications in Vista is painful actually and I don't know if works properly. Vista starts churning away, and fires up Firefox which hangs and the Setting Defaults... dialog stops:

Setting Defaults

If you kill FF with Task Manager, Setting Defaults proceeds to launch Thunderbird, which also hangs and has to be be killed. I suspect both would have be set to Run As Administrator, but I haven't tried that yet.

Another curiousity is that using Firefox seems to bypass the UAC Protected Mode that you get in IE7. Obviously, FF 2.0 doesn't support PM yet (that's for 3.0), but it'll let you install just about anything without Vista popping up the security screen.

So why do I bother with FF/T-bird then? Well, IE7 doesn't have anywhere near the amount of useful extensions that FF does, and some sites just don't work in the Microsoft browser. Technorati refused to load for me for several days in IE7 for instance - it works now, and unfortunately I've lost the screen cap of the IE7 "Operation Aborted" error dialog. It means I have to have both browsers installed for the time being.

Opera 9 is very very nice indeed, but... Geekzone doesn't work with it.

I'm liking Outlook 2007 more and more and could see myself using that instead of Thunderbird but... I can't change the default "top-posting" mode in Outlook 2007. Instead of typing at the top of the message, I want to start at the bottom, with the signature inserted at the end too. However, I can't find anyway of changing that default.

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Comment by Daniel, on 3-Dec-2006 14:05

Yes. Firefox 2.0 has poor support for Vista APIs at the moment. That's bug 336469. It won't be fixed until 2.1, sometime early next year.


Comment by Daniel, on 3-Dec-2006 14:07

Pah, why so restrictive on HTML? It's at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336469.


Author's note by juha, on 3-Dec-2006 14:15

No... not restrictive. You can either just post the link as-is, or select some text and click the link icon in the editor. I've hyperlinked the URL.

Kind of strange FF doesn't support the Vista APIs since developer team has been to Redmond, presumably to talk about things like that.


Author's note by juha, on 3-Dec-2006 14:18

Bah. After I set the default browser with computerdefaults both Firefox and Thunderbird have stopped working. They can't connect to anything now, not to hosts on the LAN or the Internet. All I get is "timed out" messages after a long while, but no real errors that'd tell me what's going on.


Comment by terryv, on 4-Dec-2006 20:10

Hi Juha

Try this link for the portable version http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable it is a self contained version and you do not need to download the whole suite.

Also it should run from a usb too if it does not run from the local directory.

http://portableapps.com/


Comment by Andrew, on 1-Jan-2007 14:04

I know this was more of an editorial, but the run firefox as administrator bit worked for me, and I just wanted to thank you for posting it. IE7 is getting tolerable, but I need my firefox.


Author's note by juha, on 1-Jan-2007 16:38

Oh, it works as Administrator? Hmm, I'll have to battle it some more then. What happens is that both FF and Tbird start up, and say the can connect - but nothing actually shows up in them, and I can't see the network connection completing. Grr.


Comment by PeterK, on 10-Jan-2007 04:21

I'm experiencing the same FF behaviour on Vista but it worked fine for the better part of a month, without needing admin mode.

Everything turned to crap when I accidentally launched two Flash installs, one on top of the other. Until the Flash install, everything worked just fine.

I've also tried the various workarounds currently floating around to no avail. Be nice if someone could come up with a simple workaround because FF is still much better than IE7.


Comment by xxdesmus, on 12-Jan-2007 17:03

Rather interesting read for me considering I've been using Vista since before it entered Beta 1 and have never actually experienced any similar issues with Firefox like you have described.

I've run it with UAC enabled and with UAC disabled with no problems. That being said, I would highly suggest not even bothering with UAC (for the moment at least).


Author's note by juha, on 12-Jan-2007 17:12

I'm going to have to take a serious dig into why it's not working. Tried just uninstalling and reinstalling earlier, but that didn't make a difference. Will have to wipe Registry entries and program directories I think.


Comment by Anthony, on 11-Feb-2007 19:50

Hi,

I am running Windows Vista Ultimate edition on my PC, and firefox was running fine until I restarted one time, and then it wouldn't open up (giving the same error) after booting up. I uninstalled and tried to reinstall but it wouldn't even let me reinstall now. I don't know what the problem is, but I also have a laptop running Windows Vista Home Premium and I have had no problems running Firefox 2 on that. Is it that Firefox only supports certain versions of vista?

If someone came up with a solution for this, please do let me know. My email is anthoj@gmail.com

Thanks again,

Anthony


Comment by christian, on 11-Feb-2007 23:52

This error usually happens on interrupted upgrades or power offs, the resolution is very easy you had to go to the program files folder, and after the Mozilla folder.

And just delete the xpicleanup.dat file. That´s it.. No more troubles, finito...

And you can enjoy the best browser...


Comment by Christal, on 17-Feb-2007 06:07

I went into the Mozilla folder to delete the xpicleanup.dat file as I have been having the exact same FF issues and also failed in reinstalling due to an "Error opening file for writing: xpicleanup.exe".

However, when I tried to delete this file it told me I needed permission to do so and would not allow the delete.

There has got to be a way to run this browser!! I


Comment by quina, on 17-Feb-2007 09:55

This must be MS super plan of trashing FireFox totally -_-;. They are trying to convert all of us to IE!!


Comment by kerrance76, on 19-Feb-2007 08:52

I have had no problems running firefox or opera on all pre release versions of Vista, after a install of the business edition neither of these programs would load a full home page and would then freeze. After 2 fresh installs and reading your entry I tried running firefox in Sp2 compatibility mode, still no joy but the page loaded a bit more, I then tried server compatibility with the same results, a little bit more. I went through 3 more options before getting a full page, I then removed compatibility mode and they worked fine. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction

The joys of Microsoft!


Comment by tealou, on 25-Feb-2007 16:46

A friend of mine had this problem and so did I -- and the only way I found to fix it was to disable UAC.

I know its not ideal for many people, but for me and my friend (and it has been replicated a few times, incluiding in the 2.0.0.2 release), it worked.

MSN Messenger did stop working afterwards, mindyou, but I installed Trillian until this is sorted out.


Author's note by juha, on 26-Feb-2007 08:38

Hmm, neither disabling UAC nor upgrading to 2.0.0.2 makes FF work for me. Bizarre.


Comment by chris, on 21-Mar-2007 09:41

Does anyone know when this issue will be resolved by Mozilla?


Author's note by juha, on 22-Mar-2007 08:05

No news on that yet - I tried clearing out the lot, manually, from both the file system and the Registry and then a fresh install, but Firefox still can't connect to the network.


Comment by anita, on 25-Apr-2007 14:12

HI,

I am having problem too.when i used firefox the display of the webpage seems to "vibrate"(?), not steady.Tried install it several times it didn't work


Comment by JimOtt, on 11-Sep-2007 05:28

The error message..

"The program must close to allow a previous installation attempt to complete. Please restart."

started to appear with NS 9.3 on my Vista system analogous to the problem mentioned when running Firefox.

Can't get rid of it.


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